Is your first full-length project a learning process in terms of your own sound?
100%. With every project I want to get more and more cohesive toward my own thing. Pulling from electronic music, pulling from alternative music, all of these different inspirations that I grew up loving that are so far from each other, and pulling it in to try and create something that’s my own.
Your love for music began with your sister and her music taste. What kind of music did she put you on to?
We shared a family computer. I don’t even remember all the stuff. What sticks out is the first concert I ever went to was a Passion Pit concert that she took me to when I was around 11 years old. Everyone there was older and I got so claustrophobic. I couldn’t see the stage. But I still loved it.
MGMT is another one. I remember she really loved it and I fell in love with that album because of her. And then all of the pop music she was listening to at the time—she was in high school and I was in elementary or middle school. And it was probably Justin Timberlake’s Justified album, which then led me to the Neptunes and Timbaland, and then that just escalated and led to so many other things.
What does she think about this becoming your career?
I’m sure she loves it. I mean, I’ve been doing music since I was like a little kid. So it’s been such a gradual thing. By the time I was in high school, I had developed my own tastes and gone through so many phases that I had kind of gotten more into music than she ever was. But in hindsight, she was really a catalyst to me getting into popular music, because I was playing classical music as a kid. My grandfather played in the Chicago Symphony. And my uncle was a classical conductor. So I was always around classical music. But then she was the one that was listening to pop and alternative music at the time.
“Pulling from electronic music, pulling from alternative music, all of these different inspirations that I grew up loving that are so far from each other, and pulling it in to try and create something that’s my own.”
Did you find yourself trying to play the music that you heard around you?
The classical stuff in particular, definitely made me want to learn certain chords and songs. For example, there was one song that changed how I listened to music. [“Gymnopédie No. 1” by Erik Satie]. It basically was the first classical piano song I had heard that used jazz chords. So it’s like major, minor seventh chords. And it was a lot different from the stuff I’d been playing. And that led me to love jazz music. Then I would find similarities that the Neptunes used major, minor seventh chords that give you a certain feeling. And that led me to realize the style I really like.
And that got you into production?
I was trying to give beats to local rappers in middle school. And by local, I mean really local, like, at the high school. Kids would be like, “Oh, I can rap over this.” And then the whole time, I was secretly singing, but not confident enough to be like, “I’m a singer.” And it took a couple years until I would then sing on a hook of some beat I would give a rapper or something. And then, by the end of high school, I decided I was really going to do my own thing.”
When you started diving into music, did you ever think you’d be someone who is as on top of everything as you are now? Production, vocals, videos…
Over the years, I got really into all forms of art… The coolest thing about being a musical artist is that you get to really do every form of art if you want to. Being a director and being a visual artist with your album and single artwork, working with other people to help execute the vision. But loving every aspect of it just leads to being able to do all these different things. After a certain point, it’s like, how fun would it be to just pivot into a whole new creative outlet? Be a director when I’m 40 years old or something.
“Angels” is your first single following a couple loosies and the 2020 EP. What made it the one to come back with this year?
It was just about what represented the initial journey into the sound. So “Angels” kind of introduced it the best, because it combined all these elements of the project. It alludes to this kind of breakbeat, trip-hop, some people call electronic music, but it still felt really, really musical with the strings. And it was beautiful, the arrangement of it, that teej. [a frequent collaborator] had started on. It just felt like the right introduction to the project. And then when we started to plan all the singles, it built the world out a little more. Then the next one feels like it’s a building on top of that until you get the whole world with the full project.
You called “Angels” a love letter to Houston. What made it that way?
It started with teej. sending me this loop. It was not even a loop. It was literally a classical music arrangement that he had made like it was for a movie, on some Hans Zimmer shit. There was a certain part of it that felt very ethereal and beautiful. When I took that and started chopping it up, it kind of felt like this feeling of home, almost evangelical. It reminded me of this feeling of being protected by people you love and being really thankful for the people around me. And that led to being thankful for being from Houston and made me think back at that whole journey of where I’m from, and why it’s so important.
With the song, we were referencing Romeo and Juliet, the 1996 one with Leonardo DiCaprio. And teej. pulled up a scene. It was the Capulet party, it looks like Juliet’s wearing an angel costume. It just feels like what the song is to me and then I was drawing parallels to that in Houston.
With the video, I wanted to go back to Houston and go to places that I had grown up seeing and had a certain view of. I always saw Houston in this very utopian futuristic way. I don’t think anyone else really saw Houston that way but I wanted to think it was like the city from The Hunger Games. We always talked about doing something new and different from the city that people have never seen.
How would you describe this latest string of music you’ve been creating for the project?
Analog futuristic. Analog is very retro and vintage, it has the musicality and textures of vintage stuff. Tape machines and live instrumentation. But then you match that with forward-leaning production and synths and electronic music. Pulling from both the past and the future to make something new.